A former governor of Oyo State, Chief Adebayo Alao-Akala, in this
interview with ADEOLA BALOGUN and TUNDE ODESOLA clears the air on some
contentious issues
How did you get enlisted into the Nigerian Police?
It
wasn’t accidental that I became a policeman. It was a dream I nursed
as a young lad. I had wanted to be enlisted in a profession where I
would wear uniform. I would have loved to be in the military but
unfortunately, the day I was to write a test for the police force was
the very day the enlistment into the Army was done. I remember
enlistment into the Army was fixed for The Polytechnic, Ibadan. I don’t
know why those in charge did that. My number was WS44 in 1973. In the
police, I would spend one year and become an officer. In the army short
service, I would spend six months and I would become an officer. In the
Army short service, there was a limit to where I could get to move but
for full course, I would spend three years. I then decided to go for the
police.
Why did you want to be a policeman?
I was a
barrack boy. My uncle was in the West Africa Frontier; later he joined
Ghanaian Army. He was caught up in Ghana Independence in 1957 while he
was with the Frontier. They then asked them that anyone that was
interested in joining the Ghanaian Army should indicate interest and he
opted to stay in Ghana and he automatically became a member of the
Ghanaian Army. I went to 3 Battalion Training School and I finished my
Form 4 there. I knew how to take care of the khaki and I thus decided I
wanted to join the force. So it wasn’t a mistake or accidental that I
joined the police. When I joined the police, I discovered that I love
the profession and I enjoyed it while it lasted.
To the man on the street, the police force is synonymous with corruption; was this so in your time?
It
is unfortunate; what you are seeing in the police is a reflection of
the society. It is what we have in the society that we are seeing in the
police. So what is happening in the police is not peculiar to the
police alone; it is in all spheres. If you say police force is corrupt,
other forces are also corrupt because the people are recruited from the
society. So, whatever you see now is the reflection of the society.
People
are of the belief that no retired police officer can claim that he did
not collect bribe while in service; did you collect bribe?
I
am telling you now that I did not collect bribe. Do you know why I could
not collect bribe? Firstly, I had the opportunity of working in the
Administrative Department of the police for about 16 years. As a matter
of fact, while I was at the headquarters for 16 years, I was being
posted from one department to the other. I did not want to leave, I was
pushed to the field and when I got to the field, I asked myself why
should I be taking bribe? Let me tell you an experience; there was a
relation of mine who had problems with the police and he didn’t want to
tell me. The police asked him to go and bring N1, 000. He did not have
N1, 000; he then went and sold some of his goods to be able to raise the
money. While the fellow was looking for ways of raising the money, I
was aware that he was raining curses on the police along the line which
means that he might have even cursed the money he wanted to give as
bribe. So the policemen unknowingly too would be mixing bad money with
good money and spiritually, that has a long way to go in the life of a
human being. As an officer, I would just do what I could for you. So, I
just told myself that as God has placed me above you, why should I ask
for anything from you? If I could help, I would and for God’s sake, an
average Nigerian knows how to say thank you. If along the line, you say
thank you and you give me something which I didn’t solicit, that is from
you. But if you start negotiating bribe as I saw a cop (on the
television) that was sacked recently, that is sad. An average Nigerian
knows how to say thank you and if you help him, he would say thank you;
why do you have to negotiate bribe where you can help? Where would you
even discuss a bribe with me? As a matter of fact, if I knew that you
had a bad case, I would deal with you. That is where I could be
ruthless. And for God’s sake, I worked under somebody like (Inspector
General) Sunday Adewusi for many years and I was with him until he
retired. So, the way we were brought up, you couldn’t take bribe because
we were arresting bribe takers. I was working with Chief Adewusi (at
Alagbon) and in those days, the fear of Alagbon Close was the beginning
of wisdom. When you hear of Alagbon Close, you will shiver. Then, we
were not thinking of how to take bribe. And again when I got into the
field, having dealt with a lot of people, I felt that people might want
to deal with me too, so I had to be careful. Bribe was not that
pronounced during my time.
Was that why you had to quit or you quit when you felt you had achieved satisfaction?
No,
I did not quit. There was a time in the police, even among all the
uniform forces, people were being branded NADECO. I was branded a NADECO
officer and in any of the forces then, they could tell you to go
anytime. So, some of us were being branded NADECO and that was the time a
lot of people could not pretend not to be aware of the wrong being
committed especially during the June 12, 1993 election. During the time,
it was easy for your fellow officer to implicate you by branding you
as a NADECO agent and that was how many of us were dealt with and were
asked to retire.
Were you a NADECO member?
I was not but as a Yoruba person, I had my sympathy for MKO Abiola when his election was annulled.
But some people said you were dismissed from the police.
Dismissed?
I was not dismissed from the police. Nothing like dismissal has ever
come my way and I don’t know what they mean by that. You see, don’t rely
on politicians and their political allegations; politicians would tell
you things like that. If you go to the Pension Office now, they will
tell you how much I am taking as pension. Again, nobody would be
dismissed and still receive pension; the police would have cried out
that I am a dismissed officer. Again, you don’t have to blame your
misfortune on anybody. If you are retired as a uniform person, you are
retired. After all, I was not dismissed; I was given my emolument. What
is today’s date? At the end of the month, I will receive an alert from
my bank signifying that my pension has been paid. I always cherish it
when I receive the alert for my monthly pension. It is not up to my
driver’s salary, but at least, I am very happy to receive it.
At what age did you leave the police?
I was about 45 years. I served for 23 years before I left.
What did you go into, personal business?
I
floated a private investigative company where I had staff working for
me. Let me just put it this way, I went into private business. I retired
in 1995 and I went into business immediately and in 1996 when politics
started I joined politics.
What brought about your popularity as an Ogbomoso homeboy?
I
have always been a homeboy. I started schooling from primary one to
primary six in Ogbomoso and when you schooled in that kind of
environment, you would naturally come across many indigenes of the town
as schoolmates. When you went to school at your home base, you would
have a lot of friends. I had a lot of them and, also, the love for my
town was also there. Since I came back from Ghana in 1970 up to the time
I am speaking to you now, I have never spent a Christmas outside
Ogbomoso. The only time I spent Christmas night out of Ogbomoso was in
1980 December when I had to rush to Kano during the Maitasine riots – on
an official assignment. I actually celebrated Christmas in Ogbomoso but
I had to leave later in the evening when I had to report in Kano same
day for the Maitasine riots. I have always been spending my Christmas in
Ogbomoso. Since 1974, when I could afford it, I have always been
throwing a party in my house and people have always been looking forward
to the party every year. I belonged to a group called Soun Social Club.
It was a club of my age group then based in Kano but they allowed
interested people to join. Every 26 December for about 15 years or so,
the late Ayinde Barrister always played for us and I was one of those
championing the cause. So, everybody got to know me very well. At that
time, my (official) house in Lagos literally became Ogbomoso ‘hostel’.
If you were looking for job or anything in Lagos as an Ogbomoso
indigene, you would be told to go to Akala house. The only place you
could not occupy was my bed; every other space, you were free. God later
blessed me with a personal house in Lagos and I was having an official
quarters; my personal house became a very ‘big hostel’ for Ogbomoso
indigenes. In fact, I was going there everyday to meet people and I
called the place Ile Iya Alaro. I named it Ile Iya Alaro after my
grandmother. So Ile Iya Alaro was very popular among Ogbomoso people in
Lagos. These were the things that brought me into limelight in the town
and when I retired, they were the ones that called me to come and become
the local government chairman. And that is why I did not work for it.
While everybody was struggling to contest on the platforms of Alliance
for Democracy and Peoples Democratic Party, I used the All Progressive
Party platform to win election in Ogbomoso. APP was not a popular party
in Ogbomoso but the people voted for Akala, not APP. When I started
politics, Baba Lamidi Adedibu of blessed memory noticed my political
activities and my popularity back home. When the PDP needed Ogbomoso
votes in bulk, he drafted me to come and be deputy governor.
Now that you mentioned Chief Adedibu, was he instrumental to your emergence as governor?
Yes, he was greatly instrumental.
What of the impeachment saga?
I
don’t know anything about the impeachment saga but Baba Adedibu used
the impeachment to weaken my boss, the governor (Alhaji Rashidi Ladoja).
I don’t know anything about the impeachment and that is the truth.
It is believed that you betrayed your boss (Ladoja).
I
was loyal to my boss to the last. If it was not because of
constitutional requirement that I had to be governor, I wouldn’t have
been governor. As a matter of fact, those who did the impeachment did
not have me in mind (to be governor). They thought they could even
impeach me and put someone else there. That was why it was not difficult
for me when the court said that I should revert to the position of
deputy governor, after all, I was deputy governor to him, not to someone
else. That is why I always pride myself that I was once a deputy
governor, a governor, a deputy governor and a governor. I was not part
of the impeachment; those who orchestrated it did not want me. They had
their plans; they wouldn’t have put me in the position but for the
constitution. As a matter of fact, did you know what happened? I ran
away (after the impeachment) and they were looking for me. They couldn’t
do the swearing-in because they couldn’t find me. I ran away to Osun
and it was a friend of mine, now Senator (Ayo) Adeseun, that came to
(Osun) to fetch me. I didn’t want to follow him but they knew they could
always send somebody like him to look for me.
You thought they were not sincere enough?
Not
that I thought they were not sincere enough, they were not sincere at
all; they had their own plans but the constitution did not allow them to
carry out their plans.
In the tussle between Osun and Oyo over
Ladoke Akintola University of Technology, Ogbomoso people believe that
you wanted the university to be the property of Oyo simply because you
are an Ogbomoso indigene.
Why can’t it be the property of Oyo State?
But what was in the public domain was that LAUTECH was a patrimony of the two states as established by the founding fathers.
That
is a lie. LAUTECH belonged to the then Oyo State before Osun was carved
out of it. After Osun was created, we still believed that we could
still have it together, so we then allowed joint ownership of the
university. But there is no law that allows that joint ownership. You
know that Oyo cannot enact law for Osun and vice versa. So how can there
be a joint ownership law? Unfortunately for Osun, the university is
situated on Oyo soil, so how can you enact law for something that is not
on your soil? But gentlemen agreement, administrative agreement, yes,
we had that. We said the two states would co-fund it, six months apiece.
While they acquire the school of health science in Osun, they could
enact law for that but in my own wisdom, when Osun created Osun State
University which is solely owned by Osun and they are running it like a
private university. They have campuses in all their major cities. Oyo
did not have anything; LAUTECH conferred half ownership on us in Oyo, so
in essence, we have half university; there is no university we can call
our own. I then decided that since Osun has got its own university, we
too should have our own. But before we have our own, I said we should
prepare the ground. The ground that I wanted to prepare was that there
must be a teaching hospital and there must be a college of health
sciences in Ogbomoso. And I can say it without fear of any contradiction
that as at today in Nigeria, LAUTECH has the best college of health
sciences in Ogbomoso; go and look at the building and the contents, the
lecture theatres and everything. After building the teaching hospital in
Ogbomoso, I said let us share the assets of the university, the
movables and the immovable. Years back before I came in, they had
stopped capital projects and any capital project that was done in
Ogbomoso was done by Oyo State and anyone done in Osogbo was done by
Osun State. So, I then said let us share the assets and go our separate
ways. University of Ado Ekiti used to belong to the old Ondo State and
when Ekiti State was created, they shared the assets peacefully. Ondo
State believed that the university was not its own and when it was time,
they shared the assets. So if they could do that, why should ours be
different? I said you Osun, you have your own university, so let us go
in peace. I then proposed that even though it could not be 50-50 between
us again, I promised them their admission quota for the next five
years, they disagreed. I then decided to fight it out. But initially,
Oyinlola agreed when the National Universities Commission intervened
that we could go but there was a change of government in Osun and the
new governor disagreed. But he was lucky I did not win election.
What would have happened?
I would have made it a reality.
But if Osun could have its own state university, what stopped Oyo from owning its own?
This
is our own landed property. LAUTECH belongs to Oyo State; it’s on our
land. I prepared the ground before I started fighting and when I brought
the accreditation team, they opened their mouth and could not close it.
What I wanted to do that time was to change LAUTECH to multi campus
with campuses at Isheyin and Igboho. It was just a pure convenience for
my people because Osun could not have one and a half universities while
we would have half. But they were lucky I didn’t win election.
Your successor, Chief Abiola Ajimobi has faulted the quality of roads your administration constructed.
He
is entitled to his own opinion; let him do his own that is of quality.
Look at me, I am a quality man myself, with due respect. Look at my
house, I used quality materials. So, why would I do something that is
not of quality; something that I want to leave as legacy for unborn
generations? With due respect, I go with quality and if you are not of
quality, you can’t flow with me. Everything about me is about quality.
He is entitled to say what he wants to say and if I were him, I would
just keep quiet. Let him do his own that is of quality.
It was
alleged that you demanded for N1bn from the civil service for your
re-election but in the process, the civil servants too helped themselves
to several millions of naira.
I don’t know anything about
that. You see, when you don’t know how government operates, you don’t
talk like that. Anybody talking like this is very senseless; he doesn’t
have any sense. Am I a signatory to the service account? I did not ask
anything from anybody.
You talked about quality, is it in terms of dressing too?
In terms of everything, Akala is a man of quality. Look at me, I am a man of quality, with due respect. I use quality materials.
Is the use of jewellery part of it too?
Yes,
I have been using jewellery as a young man. Do you know what they
called Ghana before, Gold Coast. I lived in Ghana and that was where I
got used to it early in my life. We make statement with our looks in
Ghana. In those days when we were in Ghana, your wife bathed you and
took care of you. I am from Ghana, so I have been using jewellery (he
sends for an album). I want to show you some pictures. Pictures that I
took some 40 years back, you would see chains on my neck. Look at my
hand chains and rings in this picture. That is how I was brought up.
Even when I was in (police) uniform, I wore my chain with my uniform.
Is it not was illegal for you to wear necklace with your uniform?
It was not legal but my uniform would cover it.
Is it part of your own fashion to bleach?
Bleach?
That is stupidity; you are asking a very silly question, how can I
bleach? You are very silly to ask that question. What do you mean by
that? What gave you that impression?
(He pulled up his clothe and singlet to show his fair complexion.)
Is
this bleaching? Have you seen the cream that I use that makes me bleach
or did you know me when I was black? So if you want to write that, put
it there that I said you are very silly to ask me that kind of question.
Don’t ask that kind of question again. What you don’t know; you ask.
You don’t even know my parents. Is my wife complaining or my children? I
don’t know what gave anybody the impression that I bleach. You don’t
know me; do you know what it takes to bleach?
Does your wife still bathe you?
She
can’t carry me anymore; we are old. Don’t forget that the First Lady is
not my first wife. My first wife is an old woman like me and she is
still with me. She was also brought up in Ghana and that’s why I was
able to marry her. Most of the people in Nigeria cannot keep up with my
lifestyle of cleanliness....read more of this
What lesson of life did you take away from Ghana?
A
lot. It is what has been helping me till now. I took forthrightness
away from Ghana. In Ghana, you don’t steal or cheat. If you hear of any
stealing there, it is those who came to reside there. We were very
straightforward with our fellow human beings. You don’t make your
neighbour unhappy. Even till date, there is no serious armed robbery in
Ghana. In Ghana, when you know how to do anything, you know how to do it
very well. Even when they came here (to Nigeria), they always mastered
what they chose to do.
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